April 8, 2008

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    it seems to me that "progressive" christians need to re-examine what they are opposed to.  if they would say "legalism", that's all fine and good.  but when they single out conservatism they tend to give the impression that they distance themselves from original intent, and not just the people they label "christian conservatives".


    does this make sense to anyone?


     


     


     


     


     


     

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  • Ah, election season.

  • In my opinion, Christians are supposed to be liberal.  We are supposed to render unto Ceaser and gladly.  We are supposed to give the honored seat to the less worthy, instead of fawning over the wealthy.  Yet the Left attracts the godless and the Right attracts the God-fearing.  I can't explain it...*shrugs* 

  • No, becauise they need to distinguish themselves from the Christian right to show they don't want a part of it.

  • @AliasUndercover - i would like you to understand why i did not use the word "liberal", and instead opted for "progressive".  i am not of the opinion that a christian needs to be of a certain political mind-set to properly live out the kind of life that Christ has called us to.  "progressive" christians tend to believe that thier view of the bible moves the understanding of scripture forward, and away from what they call "conservative" thinking.  but here is the problem:  at the same time that their ideas seem to be moving forward, they are all of the mind that what they believe is the original intent of scripture.  in other words, their view of scripture is more accurate.  if they then believe that what they believe is what was originally true, then why wouldn't they call themselves conservatives?  this makes the title of "conservative", in a christian context, mean nothing at all since everyone technically believes they are the ones with the conservative view of things.  the indetifier becomes so broad that it actually indentifies nothing.

    you touched on something else in your comment that bothers me even more.  as i said before, the political mind-set of a person does not hint towards how effectively they are living out the commands of scripture.  it seems to me that politically liberal christians tend to rely on the government to do what is right in regards to christian teachings, while politically conservative christians tend to see their christian walk to be a personal responsibility to be carried out on a personal level.  you say that we are supposed to "gladly" give to ceasar what is his, but it should be noted that as a democracy we are able to influence how much ceasar actually needs.  i don't think that it is wrong of us to want lower taxes.  i don't think that there is a single person, liberal or conservative, that looks at their taxes and wishes that they could pay more.  it is interesting to me that the only argument against bush's tax cuts was that it was a "tax cut for the rich" and that it did not lower the taxes of a percentage of people just above the poverty line.  but if you sit with any liberal today and have an argument about taxes, you would quickly find that they don't believe that taxes should be lowered for anyone.  in fact, they want taxes to be raised across the board, and raised even more for the wealthy who i guess need to be extatic about giving to ceasar.  it should also be noted that the large corporations have given far more money to both of the democratic candidates, than they have to any republican candidate.  what's even more amazing, is that mccain had the balls to say in iowa that biofuels was a scam.  that almost ensured that he would not get any oil money.  and yet, these myths that conservatives are always greedy and that liberals are always compassionate still live on.  i couldn't begin to explain why that is...

    sorry that response was so long.  *gets off of soap-box*

  • @efildrawkcabeht - eh, i've had these feelings long before 08 rolled it ugly head around.

  • *formulates an opinion to express later*

  • @thinmanii - Actually I totally agree with you across the board.  I was rasied by liberals (my mother's the bleeding heart kind, my father's a business man so he leans right more often than not.  They're both great Christians).  I was not politically aware during the 60's, but I lived through them.  The seeds of my distrust of the Right were sown then.  Christians here in the south were some of the most vocally opposed to Civil Rights.  Kinda hard to forgive that.  Also my wife was a social worker for 15 years, and she heard the Right saying the whole time that charity should be the responsibility of the church and not the government.  As a Christian she would agree but then spend her working hours trying to find a wheelchair or hearing aid for some poor lost child no church would help.  And then the Right would cut her funding and no church would step up.  Frustrating.

    I like the way you're thinking, Braz.  My hope is that more of you youngsters will speak up and show us how to do this.  Seriously.

  • I think, in regards to what you said to Alias, you should make a distinction between fiscally and socially liberal people. And I don't think it's fair of you to make a statement like "any liberal[s] today ... don't believe that taxes should be lowered for anyone." Generalizing people in that way will never lead you to an accurate answer.

    But keep being forward with your opinions. You are a welcome change to the brand of conservatism I am most exposed to.

  • oh, and that biofuel crap hacks me off, too.

  • I think the most important thing to remember in all of this is that we can and should only have One allegiance, and through that all reconciliation flows.

  • dude, don't pretend you've stepped down off of your soap box.
    you haven't
    and your peeps (all of us) demand you stay on it

    i believe that i constantly need to re-examine what i'm opposed to and why

  • @RozieD - i have a hard time dividing fiscal and social liberals/conservatives.  it seems to me that if someone believes in all of the social aspects of liberalism, then by default they would need to be more fiscally liberal, simply because only a liberal fiscal policy could allow the kind of social programs that liberalism endorses.  this could be looked at in the same way towards conservatives.  i would rather like to classify those people who sit on the fence to be moderate, rather than half-liberal or half-conservative.

    @efildrawkcabeht - most def.

  • well, I'm all confused. maybe I'll better understand it at not 2:30am...
    ps- I'm glad you're my friend.

  • Christians rarely make sense to me. Nyah!

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